MsKreed

Resolution 23-568 to transfer of the $500k that had been added to the budget in December was unanimously passed by the (10) legislators who voted. Donovan, Pickering and Stermer were absent from the meeting; Chalk and Margeson recused themselves from voting. This brings the total ARP funds paid to IDA for the Arena to $875k. Before the roll call vote, Morse (who has expressed reservations about the IDA on several projects) thanked Mr. Margeson and ‘others’ for answering her many questions and going over the Business Plan during ‘many discussions’. She said she is pleased with what she’s hearing and supports “changing the mindset from hockey to a Community Center and doing more that our community can be involved in; there’s more potential here”. I look forward to the IDA openly and transparently sharing that Business Plan with the public.

Dang, didn’t hear/see anything advertised about that. I'm glad they had a good turnout. Absolutely. Not just in the "event center".....but all through the Mall to encourage window shopping (which leads to actual shopping). And they need to get away from the mindset of trying to generate profits directly from the events. If they return to the concept that the events can be a wash (or even carry some cost to the Mall management), then the traffic will result in their tenants being profitable enough to warrant the premium rents. That is exactly what drew the crowds that made the individual businesses (and The Mall) thrive in the past as seen in THIS Album. If they don’t make some changes, it will continue to bleed tenants and something other than a Mall (and hopefully not just another vacant behemoth) will need to takes its place.

Do you suppose it was to preemptively “defend” against igner’t yankees who'd think it’s misspelled could be inclined to criticise?

Thanks! I will add it to my watch list 🙂

Exactly..... If they want to demand the steadily increasing rents, they'd need to bring back the benefits that they removed over the last several decades that had made that square footage "gold" in the first place. From the time the Arnot Mall was built until somewhere in the mid-late ‘90s, it operated with the basic recipe/formula that made other malls across America thrive (and justifying the higher rent costs to their tenants). Free Events like pageants, art shows, parades, etc drawing consumers into the facility. Non-Competition clauses in their leases that promised tenants that they wouldn’t have to fight over customers for identical goods and services right down the hall.....while providing consumers with a Wide Variety of shops & services. Anchor Stores comprised of large, popular, national retailers with traffic from a consistent customer base. Then we saw some of the “ingredients” in that recipe being skimped on (or completely omitted) in order for the Mall Management to squeeze more profits...... Instead of hosting free events, they began charging vendors to participate (like the Farmer’s Market Chris mentioned). Eventually, they just offered up corridors full time to any fly-by-night junk dealer who wanted a booth. There was also no longer any attempt to protect older tenants from competition. Any new booth or storefront can come along and sell the same stuff as the next guy. And with the rent being too damn high.....a lot of those new tenants don’t invest in any remodeling or refacing of the old business. They just throw tarps up as walls and use temporary banners for signage. Whereas people used to show up for themed free events, no one goes to the Mall for the enjoyment of browsing a dozen cheap booths and trashy stores full of the same Chinese junk they can get at Dollar General. So...less traffic. And less traffic means more of the businesses leave– so raise the rent of course! Because going back to the business model that was successful would just be crazy.

A millennia of fiction writing proves that ‘imagination’ is limitless. However, realism and pragmatic solutions are constrained by actual real-world boundaries. And remember that we’re talking about hypothetical uses for a privately owned, commercial property (that once hugely contributed to financial prosperity in the area). Unless one's “imagination” includes a fantasy world where tax revenue is not needed, and hinges on the expectation that the owners should just surrender their asset for “the public good”....those three ideas would need to be at least analogous in that they are profitable and produce more jobs and tax revenue. And in the interest of distinguishing mere ‘imagination’ from realistic scenarios.....each concept should include cited examples of anyone, anyplace actually achieving them for some realistic length of time. There are plenty of criticisms we can throw at the current Mall management for its deteriorating role in the local economy. Wanting it to be even less economically successful seems like the antithesis of a solution. It’s beyond asinine to suggest reducing the Mall’s business revenue when the local economy needs the opposite. We already have a surplus of underutilized publicly owned and completely vacant/derelict private properties that are currently less beneficial to the community than they should be.....even less so than the mall. The Arena, Erie Plaza, Hills Plaza. While it’s still probably an impractical idea to invest millions of dollars into re-inventing those places as public resources like community gardens and municipal centers....at least doing so would not eliminate existing business revenue potential.

If we really want to go all-in with extreme sci-fi, theoretical concepts......perhaps “hordes of tourists from the future” are indeed visiting on a regular basis, but their very presence creates a “new” timeline history that erases events (like their presence) from our consciousness in the new timeline? LOL Excellent point. There aren’t a lot of time travel movies that I don’t enjoy. The premise of time travel lends itself to so many infinite “original” storylines, that it’s one genre that doesn’t fall victim to the (same ol’ - same ol’) regurgitated plot formulas we see way too much of. From Planet of The Apes, Terminator, Back to the Future, Quantum Leap.....to Groundhog Day, and Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. The potential for creativity is endless. For instance.....I just watched The Tomorrow War on Prime, and found it to be a refreshingly original story. Apparently, it was released during the pandemic while I was dealing with real life drama.....but I can’t believe I hadn’t heard about it sooner.

For most things in my own life, I absolutely prefer a practical approach of reusing and repurposing. But million+ square foot commercial properties aren’t like old sinks that can be painted a new color and used for some completely different function, like a kitschy planter. It’s one thing to add non-structural walls to a relatively small building and create office space and/or studio apartments, etc. However, the larger the property that was built to accommodate a specific enterprise, the more impractical it is to “revamp” to another use. Yes, third world countries (that do not have the means to start over) are often forced to try things like turning abandoned factories into hospitals. But those “repurposed” facilities are not by choice. They are substandard and far inferior to their practical and functional counterparts that were built to serve as hospitals. Example: Over its 25 years of dormancy......it was painfully clear that the A&P Plant as it stood, would never have been practically suited for anything other than what it was built for. No amount of retrofitting and redecorating could have ever turned it into some other use that would be modern, operational, and profitable.....like a Walmart, a hotel, a medical center, a truck plaza, or an apartment complex, etc. Period. And the Mall, as it stands, will never be practicably suited for any of those uses either.

I didn't support the truck plaza at the Sperr Park location. But having one could be a good thing in the right spot. (And at the full expense of its developers- not IDA taxpayer funds). And honestly....flattening the mall for a Bucky's type plaza isn't necessarily a terrible idea.

This explains a lot. I attended a car show this summer. Outside, there was maybe 150 entrants parked by the vacant Sears location. But inside over 75% of the businesses were closed. Many empty....but a huge number of those that were still in business were not open for business.....5pm on a Friday. If there are older tenants forced to pay staff when the place in a tomb and they're paying higher rent?? Why TF wouldn't they be scrambling to get away? Yeah, that's not smart at all. It's a no-brainer that, as tenants flee, the other storefronts lose their value. So punitive rules and jacking up their rent to drive them out sooner is a ridiculous idea. I can't help but worry that the CCIDA will reward their shitty business practices. As far as I know, the hotel plan was scrapped before the IDA handed over any money..... but that doesn't mean they won't revisit their plan to shovel tax money at them.

Was anyone else able to get audio with the Budget Meeting and Presentation ? I tried on two different devices while it was live streamed and again after the recording was archived.

The "absentee" were mailed in and included....I'm not sure what "Affidavit" refers to?

Here's a race that should be a lesson that answers the the question "does every vote count"?

I'm not. When the matter was in a Committee three years ago that was strongly opposed & successfully quashed the idea......Legislator Strange and the Elmira Telegram both did informal online polls that had over 90% in favor. And when I did some research, I found every other county that put it on the ballot passed overwhelmingly. I am still absolutely disgusted by the false information that Bryan Maggs gave the previous Legislature. He "should" have only one term left to serve. If you recall, this could have made it onto the 2020 ballot if Maggs had not repeatedly advised the Legislature that a voter referendum/proposition on term limits was unquestionably, 100%, with no exceptions, unconditionally and completely forbidden by NYS Municipal Home Rule Law. If everything hadn't shut down, I would have kept pursuing that falsehood at the time.

Who knows if it's the same lady? As of the time to file petitions, the one who is running must have been legally registered to vote with Maple Ave as her address for the BOE to put her on the ballot. And (according to WETM) she has been a member of the Chemung County Republican Committee for decades....so it's a safe bet they verified her eligibility also. Sounds like a very bitter opponent is grasping at straws. LOL

If it passes the Budget vote tonight, it will go before the full legislature next Monday. Hopefully word will get out by then and we'll see some similar public comment as the IDA's plan for the Sperr Park Truck Plaza after Nick Dubina covered it. 🤞

I wonder if the illegally convened "Executive Session" was discussion about asking for another half a million in ARP funds. The Agenda for tonight's Budget Committee meeting (HERE) vaguely notes "Resolution authorizing agreement with the Chemung County Industrial Development Agency on behalf of the Chemung County Executive". A little digging on the NovusAgenda page (HERE) reveals the contents of said "agreement": FFS....we already quietly gave the IDA $875k for the Arena, they're secretly grubbing for more??? WTF are they thinking??? The Arena had the least support out of all the possible expenditures for the $16M ARP funds that the public was polled on in 2021:

As scary as the two day manhunt had to be for the entire community......I'd have to think the family who'd reported him had extra terror wondering if he was out there coming for them. And when bureaucracies repeatedly fail to apply existing flag laws.....somehow there aren’t enough laws and we need more.

I know, right?? The main plot point of The Little Mermaid was literally....that the title character was unable to speak. Also.....they seem to overlook (or perhaps never bothered to learn) the fact that to avoid paying authors for screenplays...... much of Disney's cartoon movie content was sourced from works that are public domain from centuries old stories. News flash: in fairy tales of past centuries, "damsels in distress" was a common theme. 🙄

When I saw the report, I shook my head and couldn't help but silently think of the quote: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" I have the exact same worry when they zip past my house. Hopefully it would "just" be a deer and not some unfortunate resident turning in/out of their driveway. Either way..... the aftermath images are a not something a bystander should have to live with.

I'm picturing the same.

Agreed. The drag racers on Rte 13 scare me more than deer (which are always a valid concern). And those short “slow traffic” lanes only seem to incite more lead-footed behavior. It appears from the reports that the deceased driver was correctly using that lane and she zoomed up on him trying to beat him as the lane ended. It seemed like the DOCCS official who was recently charged with road rage was known to the other driver as agressively speeding that route on a regular basis. Being a truck route doesn’t help either (before I-99, speeding semis on the old 2-lane Rte 15 to Mansfield were terrifying).

Since the DNC has already established that they will not hold any debates for primary candidates....this guy isn’t likely to get any more votes than Marianne Williamson. I honestly think that if RFK Jr stayed in the primary, he would have gotten more votes than Dean and Marianne combined. Not that RFK could get enough primary votes to get close to the nomination.....just by name recognition from clueless people who knew nothing about him other than “Kennedy” and are not following any election news at all. And that name recognition is more than Phillips and Williamson have.

Source whcuradio.com/ Route 13 is a road I try to avoid. There were just two others killed there just last weekend (Source elmiratelegram.com. What do you think makes it so dangerous and what could be done (besides avoiding it)?

Looks like MN Congressman Dean Phillips will run against Biden in teh Dem primary.