Elmira's Homeless Problem Superthread

[Pvt Snowball 39]

22 hours ago, Hal said:

But would you “ be happy “ to visit the riverfront area as I outlined in my post above , no not accompanied by an entourage and at the times suggested ? Bet my bottom dollar you won’t/ wouldn’t. 
But if you wanted to see one of the shelters provided there is one very nice shelter across from St Joseph Hospital as one example . 
As to solutions to the homeless , the drug addled , destructive population infesting Elmira , maybe we could transport them and their ilk to your lovely Corning . You know , sharing the joy so to speak so you wouldn’t need take to your stump on Elmira’s problems . 
Moving along now , thank you . 

Transport them where?

[Pvt Snowball 39]

16 hours ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

I lived in Elmira for about a year, while running for the County Legislature.

What I don't hear is solutions just alot of I don't owe them or not my problem responses moving them from one place to another won't fix the problem you be no better then the people who made it illegal to be homeless offer Solutions.

22 hours ago, Hal said:

But would you “ be happy “ to visit the riverfront area as I outlined in my post above , no not accompanied by an entourage and at the times suggested ? Bet my bottom dollar you won’t/ wouldn’t. 
But if you wanted to see one of the shelters provided there is one very nice shelter across from St Joseph Hospital as one example . 
As to solutions to the homeless , the drug addled , destructive population infesting Elmira , maybe we could transport them and their ilk to your lovely Corning . You know , sharing the joy so to speak so you wouldn’t need take to your stump on Elmira’s problems . 
Moving along now , thank you . 

Transport them where?

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

On 8/1/2024 at 4:25 PM, Hal said:

a good number of shelters

Where are these shelters? I only know of one - that attached to St Joseph's which is a 48 bed dormitory for men only.

[Chris 2,984]

34 minutes ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

Where are these shelters? I only know of one - that attached to St Joseph's which is a 48 bed dormitory for men only.

Its across the street from St. Joes. 

There were more shelters, but unfortunately those who the shelters are established for didn't like following the rules, so the shelters closed down for the safety of the people running and working in them. Many more homeless are now sheltered in motels across the county. At least three that I can think of off the top of my head. 

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

On 8/2/2024 at 9:20 AM, Hal said:

stump on Elmira’s problems

On the one hand you ask me to give solutions; on the other you tell me to butt out.

I know very well that Elmira has huge problems with drugs and homelessness. There are few easy solutions. One that comes to mind: arrest those who destroy property.

[Rod 23]

19 hours ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

I lived in Elmira for about a year, while running for the County Legislature.

so youu moved here just to run for an open office and then left when you didnt win ? did you actually ever live here or just have a mailing address ? 

[Hal 528]

1 minute ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

On the one hand you ask me to give solutions; on the other you tell me to butt out.

I know very well that Elmira has huge problems with drugs and homelessness. There are few easy solutions. One that comes to mind: arrest those who destroy property.

Quote my post in full to have the context correct thank you . 

[Chris 2,984]

4 minutes ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

There are few easy solutions. One that comes to mind: arrest those who destroy property.

There's not much use in arresting people when they're out on the streets before the ink on the arrest report is dry. Nevermind that with bail reform laws and prison closings, thanks to this state's morons in charge, there's nowhere to put them.

[Hal 528]

2 hours ago, Pvt Snowball said:

What I don't hear is solutions just alot of I don't owe them or not my problem responses moving them from one place to another won't fix the problem you be no better then the people who made it illegal to be homeless offer Solutions.

Transport them where?

Again Pvt , go back and read the post in its entirety. 

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

18 minutes ago, Rod said:

so youu moved here just to run for an open office and then left when you didnt win ? did you actually ever live here or just have a mailing address ? 

In early 2023, it came to my attention that there were 28 Republicans running for the Legislature and 2 Democrats. I thought that there should be more choice. So I put in an offer on a little house, changed my voter registration and began petitioning. I moved in as soon as the plumbing was fixed and lived there for a year. But I had nothing to do, and only one friend in the city so I moved back to Corning.

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

40 minutes ago, Chris said:

There's not much use in arresting people when they're out on the streets before the ink on the arrest report is dry. Nevermind that with bail reform laws and prison closings, thanks to this state's morons in charge, there's nowhere to put them.

It is true that the Southport facility closed, and vandals don't need a supermax prison. But there is the jail.  Bail is to make sure that the person shows up in court to answer charges. I doubt that homeless people would be released as there would be no way to find them again. At least they would be "housed" until the trial date!

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

4 minutes ago, Rod said:

did you actually ever live here

Yes. As I said in a previous reply.

 

[Chris 2,984]

8 minutes ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

But there is the jail.  Bail is to make sure that the person shows up in court to answer charges. I doubt that homeless people would be released as there would be no way to find them again. At least they would be "housed" until the trial date!

Yeah, except they aren't sent to jail and/or have no bail. That's the whole point and fault of the state's bail reform laws. 

[command_prompt 281]

2 hours ago, Chris said:

 

There were more shelters, but unfortunately those who the shelters are established for didn't like following the rules, so the shelters closed down for the safety of the people running and working in them. 

Very true; Second Place East closed a few years ago. https://www.weny.com/story/46645906/elmira-homeless-shelter-shuts-down-after-safety-and-security-concerns

[Buddy14904 16]

9 minutes ago, command_prompt said:

Very true; Second Place East closed a few years ago. https://www.weny.com/story/46645906/elmira-homeless-shelter-shuts-down-after-safety-and-security-concerns

Proof that they are VOLUNTARILY homeless like Brinn said. How do people still deny its a CHOICE? They endanger each other and the people helping them and are supposed to just be given someplace where they're allowed to do all that in public places.

[Buddy14904 16]

1 hour ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

In early 2023, it came to my attention that there were 28 Republicans running for the Legislature and 2 Democrats. I thought that there should be more choice. So I put in an offer on a little house, changed my voter registration and began petitioning. I moved in as soon as the plumbing was fixed and lived there for a year. But I had nothing to do, and only one friend in the city so I moved back to Corning.

Did you leave your empty house unlocked so the homeless have a place to stay. 

[Buddy14904 16]

1 hour ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

In early 2023, it came to my attention that there were 28 Republicans running for the Legislature and 2 Democrats. I thought that there should be more choice. So I put in an offer on a little house, changed my voter registration and began petitioning. I moved in as soon as the plumbing was fixed and lived there for a year. But I had nothing to do, and only one friend in the city so I moved back to Corning.

When you moved out did you leave your empty house unlocked so the homeless have a place to stay. 

[Beekeeper 27]

It is a sad problem that exists in most big cities.  When I lived in Pittsburgh and Seattle, they also had a problem.  I live in Pine City and work in Ithaca.  Ithaca also has a homeless problem.  Not sure I have a solution.  Since the Supreme Court has paved the way for homeless encampments to be destroyed, the problem is only going to become much harder to ignore. 

[Adam 484]

12 hours ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

hat attached to St Joseph's which is a 48 bed dormitory for men only.

ive posted links to your claim before, it certainly is NOT only for men, and the County foots the bill for families to be put up in local motels as well( links also previously provided)

[Adam 484]

11 hours ago, Elizabeth Whitehouse said:

arrest those who destroy property.

so your solution is to incarcerate homeless?

wouldnt work anyways given NYS idiotic bail-reform laws; back on the street in a few hours

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

7 minutes ago, Adam said:

ive posted links to your claim before, it certainly is NOT only for men, and the County foots the bill for families to be put up in local motels as well( links also previously provided)

I got my information from the Star-Gazette. And, yes, the County does put families up in motels. I very much doubt that they would put men and women into a dormitory.

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

9 minutes ago, Adam said:

so your solution is to incarcerate homeless?

wouldnt work anyways given NYS idiotic bail-reform laws; back on the street in a few hours

I have addressed this issue elsewhere, but I can say it again.

I did not offer incarcerating the homeless as a solution; but I did say that if a person vandalizes public property they should be arrested whether they are homeless or not.

Bail was established to make sure that people turned up in court. But it had become the situation that if you could not make bail, you languished in jail until your court appearance - weeks, months, even years later. Our recent Governors have felt this was an injustice. Their reforms have limited incarceration while waiting trial for petty crimes. And not every person arrested is "back on the street in a few hours". Those who commit more serious crimes, or who a threat to society, are locked up.

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

16 hours ago, Buddy14904 said:

When you moved out did you leave your empty house unlocked so the homeless have a place to stay. 

Actually, I never locked my house.

[Elizabeth Whitehouse 22]

21 hours ago, Chris said:

Yeah, except they aren't sent to jail and/or have no bail. That's the whole point and fault of the state's bail reform laws. 

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You want a person to languish in jail for weeks or months until they get their day in court. Even if they are ultimately acquitted, their lives will have been disrupted and possibly ruined.  Research shows that very, very few people fail to turn up in front of the judge.

Obviously, there are circumstances when you do not want the person free pending trial - repeat offenders, violent crimes, and possibly no fixed address.

[Chris 2,984]

That has got to be the most self-contradictory statement I have read in, well, ever.