Twin Tiers Living 541 Posted December 2, 2024 WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden has decided to issue a pardon for his son Hunter and is expected to announce it Sunday night, according to a senior White House official with direct knowledge of the decision. The decision marks a reversal for the president, who has repeatedly said he would not use his executive authority to pardon his son or commute his sentence. The pardon comes ahead of Hunter Biden’s Dec. 12 sentencing for his conviction on federal gun charges. Hunter Biden also is set to be sentenced in a separate criminal case on Dec. 16, after pleading guilty in September on federal tax evasion charges. The pardon is expected to cover both Hunter Biden’s gun charges conviction and guilty plea. The senior White House official said Biden decided over this weekend to grant his son a pardon and began to inform his senior aides on Sunday. Source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ann 481 Posted December 2, 2024 No surprise there but what was a surprise was that in addition to the pardon covering the gun and tax evasion charges, Biden worded the pardon to cover anything that could come up from 2014 through December, 2024. I’ll keep my opinion to myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 571 Posted December 2, 2024 how can one be pardoned for crimes not proven??? Only in DC i guess its funny( pathetically) to see so many people agreeing with his actions; Son or not, it was a moment to show some sort of principle that the Elected class has been sorely missing these few decades Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ann 481 Posted December 2, 2024 8 hours ago, Adam said: how can one be pardoned for crimes not proven??? Only in DC i guess Pardons are usually specific to crimes committed. I’d bet there’s other stuff out there Hunter’s done that’s known to some but covered up so far. I believe the wording in this pardon protects the son and, if something is discovered, the rest of the family. Our justice system is not equal, it depends on who you know and who you are. Again, just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,492 Posted December 2, 2024 I'm not going to get too bent out of shape over this, despite what some media outlets will try to get you and I to do. And here's why: The rule of law in this country was already rendered meaningless. From small city courts to Biden's predecessor and soon to be successor, actions have little or no consequences or are brushed off with "it's all political a political hit job." Both sides of the aisle are now flagrantly guilty of it is all. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ann 481 Posted December 2, 2024 2 hours ago, Chris said: I'm not going to get too bent out of shape over this, despite what some media outlets will try to get you and I to do. And here's why: The rule of law in this country was already rendered meaningless. From small city courts to Biden's predecessor and soon to be successor, actions have little or no consequences or are brushed off with "it's all political a political hit job." Both sides of the aisle are now flagrantly guilty of it is all. Can’t argue with what you said. I saw how things were changing when I was working in the Court and what was coming and it frustrated the hell out of me. Retired early and don’t miss it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,647 Posted December 3, 2024 21 hours ago, Adam said: how can one be pardoned for crimes not proven??? Only in DC i guess Even in DC....I think it only happens every 50 years that they have the broad sweeping language to cover any and all offenses that the pardon recipient "has committed or may have committed or taken part in" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 571 Posted December 3, 2024 1. "well Trump did/will do it" is a bullshit refrain thats been heard all too much lately, and even stating its been done in the past is sad. Its the principle of the matter; take away the tax issue, there was gun crimes involved, and disposing of it in a public trash bin showed a flagrant disregard for the safety of others, bit hypocritical to harp on about gun safety/laws, and then use kid gloves when it suits you. 2. Biden said MANY times, he would not use the Executive power of the Pardon for his son, then turns around and does the exact opposite, again PRINCIPLES. that we the People seem to have been letting DC denizens slide on for far too long, and we end up with what our so called representation looks like 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,492 Posted December 3, 2024 5 hours ago, Adam said: Its the principle of the matter They have no principles. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twin Tiers Living 541 Posted December 3, 2024 Quote If anyone in America should be particularly outraged about President Joe Biden’s sweeping pardon for his son Hunter’s misdeeds – of which he’s been charged, convicted, or could otherwise be liable – I should. After all, I pleaded guilty to one of the offenses for which prosecutors in the Biden administration didn’t even dare charge Hunter – violating the Foreign Agent Registration Act of 1938 (FARA) – in an investigation that itself was later found to be based on misinformation. And while I will bear the felon’s mark forever, my fellow Georgetown alumnus and one-time American consultant in Ukraine, Hunter Biden, will walk scot-free. But if I’ve learned anything from my brush with the law in America, it’s that life isn’t fair. Unlike Hunter, my work in Ukraine centered on my knowledge of the country and its politics. Unluckily for me, Paul Manafort, a man I worked alongside there, went on to steer Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, so when a feverish hunt descended on Washington to prove that the Russians installed Trump as the U.S. president, Paul – and by association I – became targets. Funnily enough, no one seemed to be suggesting the Russians helped Trump win when he did even more commandingly last month. My violations of FARA involved drafting op-eds and talking points for the Ukrainian politician I was working for and then asking a small handful of friends on Capitol Hill if they’d meet with him when he visited Washington. By the prosecutor’s own admission, it was threshold-level stuff, like doing 56 miles per hour in a 55 MPH zone. These were nothing like trading on the name of my father, who happened to be vice president of the United States and in charge of America’s Ukraine policy, but technical violations of an arcane and seldom-enforced law all the same. Attorney General Merrick Garland’s decision not to charge Hunter for his work involving Ukrainians, Romanians, or Chinese nationals who also could be said to have fallen under the FARA statute’s purview was discretionary, as such decisions always are. But despite this apparent unfairness, I am not particularly outraged. Rather, I am now better educated about how the system in my country really works. If anyone in America is still wondering why the election turned out the way it did, Biden’s pardon of his son should put their consternation to rest once and for all. The drip, drip, drip nature of revelations about the first son’s shady dealings – and The Establishment’s furious insistence that any repetition of these was tantamount to sedition – steadily eroded the value of what the outgoing president called “my word as a Biden.” Trump’s first impeachment, after all, stemmed from his asking his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, to look into reports that the elder Biden sought the dismissal of a prosecutor there who’d been looking into the younger Biden’s business dealings. Then there was the matter of Hunter’s potentially incriminating and certainly embarrassing laptop, which he’d forgotten to retrieve from a Delaware repair shop. More than 50 former intelligence officials swore its existence “bore all the markings of Russian disinformation.” Except it was real, we learned only after the 2020 election. Again, as Americans, we were told not to believe what we could see with our own eyes – lest we be branded rabid Trumpers or Russian agents. Opposing Trump required otherwise law-abiding Americans to overlook Hunter’s behavior and dare not consider whether it was somehow rooted in a wider circle of familiar corruption. As the Russians themselves have learned through bitter experience, such cognitive dissonance can be a soul killer. Also unlike Hunter, I never sought a pardon. This is not just because my father isn’t the current president, nor because I enjoy no special affinity with the former and future president, but because doing so would intimate a belief that the rule of law in our country is, on the whole righteous and, by contrast, being a felon is unforgivable. The fact of the matter is that our justice system is broken, and no matter how many restrictions exist (for the record, something like 38,000) barring felons from full participation in American life, my bearing the scarlet letter is a reminder of how much needs to be fixed – as opposed to what might be forgotten. Ironically enough, I have not been a Trump supporter. Yet I have come to recognize that his second election rights some wrongs, and whether you agree with this or not, Biden’s pardoning of his twice-convicted son makes it impossible to be puzzled about why it happened. We all have a lot of work to do. This article was originally published by RealClearPolitics and made available via RealClearWire. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,647 Posted December 3, 2024 10 hours ago, Adam said: and even stating its been done in the past is sad. Its the principle of the matter; I didn’t mean to imply that Nixon was good example. People were outraged in 1974, and should still be outraged. It’s pretty whacked for anyone defending a tactic based on its use by.....the text book example of the worst political corruption in the 20th century. 10 hours ago, Adam said: there was gun crimes involved, and disposing of it in a public trash bin showed a flagrant disregard for the safety of others, bit hypocritical to harp on about gun safety/laws, and then use kid gloves when it suits you. I agree. There’s a segment of the population, and a large portion of the media who run around constantly squawking “common sense gun control” like Tourette’s patients. Unless they’re loudly condemning Biden for this, they need to sit down and STFU. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin 514 Posted December 5, 2024 I saw some that the state department isn't accepting the pardon because it lists a time frame instead of the crimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ann 481 Posted December 5, 2024 13 hours ago, Kevin said: I saw some that the state department isn't accepting the pardon because it lists a time frame instead of the crimes. Makes you wonder what else the family is concerned will show up during that time frame. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 571 Posted December 7, 2024 all the idiots out there cheering and supporting this move had better stay silent then, when in 4 years trump starts passing out pardons. theyve had their chance to call out wrong despite political ideology 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites