Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 (edited) Opinions? https://ithacavoice.org/2022/10/two-common-council-members-call-for-reparations-for-black-ithacans-in-2023-budget/ Most current artical Edited October 30 by Pvt Snowball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 7 minutes ago, Chris said: No. That update was last week but the article is from last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 Im saying no, I don't support it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 20 minutes ago, Chris said: Im saying no, I don't support it. Why what's your reasoning behind your decision? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 3 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: Why what's your reasoning behind your decision? Because I don't agree with punitive actions against people who had no part in the problem. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Chris said: Because I don't agree with punitive actions against people who had no part in the problem. So what the solution? Is 50,000 enough for research? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zapp Brannigan 213 Posted October 30 19 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: So what the solution? Is 50,000 enough for research? Why bother wasting the money on research? As a black person do you feel you deserve the money for something that happened 150ish years ago? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 History sucks sometimes and bad things were done to a lot of different groups of people over the centuries. Handing out cash is not going to change that. It’s really that simple. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 15 minutes ago, Chris said: History sucks sometimes and bad things were done to a lot of different groups of people over the centuries. Handing out cash is not going to change that. It’s really that simple. I don't think it is simple as you think it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 It is, actually, if you take the blinders off for a moment. What you want is to open a can of worms that is far bigger than getting a check in the mail. Who pays for it, and where do you think that money is coming from? If someone wants to write a check to assuage their “white guilt,” they can feel free to do so. I have no intention of doing so. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Chris said: It is, actually, if you take the blinders off for a moment. What you want is to open a can of worms that is far bigger than getting a check in the mail. Who pays for it, and where do you think that money is coming from? If someone wants to write a check to assuage their “white guilt,” they can feel free to do so. I have no intention of doing so. Why do you make the assumption that it money that will fix the problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,540 Posted October 30 Umm.....it was the Councilmembers who presented the resolution making the assumption that "money will fix the problem". And $2 million is the specific amount. But they don't explain why the city should bother throwing money at a "study" since they already know the amount that they claim will fix it. That's what the article that this topic is about explicitly says..... Quote “It has been clear to me that Black and brown issues are the least prioritized and are questioned with increased scrutiny compared to institutions and initiatives that primarily serve white Ithacans,” Brown said, stating that it is “absolutely necessary” for the City of Ithaca to repay Black people for the “years of mistreatment and not being afforded the opportunity to succeed and thrive as other cultures have.” As budget season is in full swing, DeFendini and Brown are calling for $2 million from the city’s 2023 budget for a three-part program of direct payments, the “funding of Black institutions and a committee on reparations for Black Ithacans,” according to Brown. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 4 minutes ago, MsKreed said: Umm.....it was the Councilmembers who presented the resolution making the assumption that "money will fix the problem". And $2 million is the specific amount. Thank you, for a minute there I was worried I was the only one who actually read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 12 minutes ago, MsKreed said: Umm.....it was the Councilmembers who presented the resolution making the assumption that "money will fix the problem". And $2 million is the specific amount. But they don't explain why the city should bother throwing money at a "study" since they already know the amount that they claim will fix it. That's what the article that this topic is about explicitly says..... It for research study not a payment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,540 Posted October 30 Just now, Pvt Snowball said: It for research study not a payment I understand that the $50k just approved this week is for a committee to study the issue. But as your article points out....the councilmembers who sponsored it have already clearly said they want $2 million in payments from the City of Ithaca taxpayers for direct payments and "funding Black institutions" . Since they have already made their conclusion.....it's pointless to spend money 'studying' a settled conclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 30 17 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: It for research study not a payment No, it quite literally says the opposite: “As budget season is in full swing, DeFendini and Brown are calling for $2 million from the city’s 2023 budget for a three-part program of direct payments, the “funding of Black institutions and a committee on reparations for Black Ithacans,” according to Brown.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin 439 Posted October 30 I am all for it, with a few caveats. Since it was offered to former slaves. Then if someone can trace their roots back to a specific former slave then everyone who can trace their roots to that former slave must get together and decide which person gets the money and how they will divide it up. I do not agree with giving it to every POC because something may have happened to their ancestors 150-200 years ago If that's the case then what about the Irish indentured servants and where is my check? Or is that not a big enough political story flouring an election cycle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,540 Posted October 30 21 minutes ago, Chris said: No, it quite literally says the opposite: “As budget season is in full swing, DeFendini and Brown are calling for $2 million from the city’s 2023 budget for a three-part program of direct payments, the “funding of Black institutions and a committee on reparations for Black Ithacans,” according to Brown.” That's a direct quote from the 2022 article posted.....proposed for the 2023 budget. I think the original post was edited to include that for background. The Ithaca Council also voted THIS week to put $50k into the 2025 budget for the study. The reports on the (current) $50k vote were a little overshadowed by the controversy at the meeting where some members walked out after a heated argument over doubling the mayor's salary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 30 8 minutes ago, Kevin said: I am all for it, with a few caveats. Since it was offered to former slaves. Then if someone can trace their roots back to a specific former slave then everyone who can trace their roots to that former slave must get together and decide which person gets the money and how they will divide it up. I do not agree with giving it to every POC because something may have happened to their ancestors 150-200 years ago If that's the case then what about the Irish indentured servants and where is my check? Or is that not a big enough political story flouring an election cycle? You do understand that the basic concepts behind indentured servitude are that it didn't last forever, and they were paid? Also, if you can point to the 4 million enslaved, excuse me"indentured servant I'm Irish who then faced more than 50 years of laws designed to keep them as close to that state as possible, please let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 516 Posted October 31 3 hours ago, Pvt Snowball said: Also, if you can point to the 4 million enslaved, excuse me"indentured servant I'm Irish who then faced more than 50 years of laws designed to keep them as close to that state as possible, please let me know. cannot find one good reason to support the idea, let alone dropping 50K on a "study" when members already see it as a foregone conclusion; id be curious as to who they have in mind to get THAT particular payout. as soon as you can point to any enslaved people after 1863( Emancipation), or ill even go so far as to say late 1865. short of that, anyone who MIGHT be entitled to reparations would be those born during Jim Crow Era, so at the outside no one born AFTER 1960-62. Yall want to go after private companies/institutions that you can prove benefited from history of slavery, have at it, but to expect taxpayers to foot the bill when majority have ZERO culpability is just plain crazy and besides: at what point, or perhaps more honestly price, do you feel its appropriate to stop blaming tragedy from 150 years ago for current issues in your community? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin 439 Posted October 31 (edited) 12 hours ago, Pvt Snowball said: You do understand that the basic concepts behind indentured servitude are that it didn't last forever, and they were paid? Also, if you can point to the 4 million enslaved, excuse me"indentured servant I'm Irish who then faced more than 50 years of laws designed to keep them as close to that state as possible, please let me know. The number of slaves in the US was no where near 4 million. That's one of the issues, the numbers have been inflated so much. Yes 4 million slaves were transported from Africa to the Americas. Most went to South America. "Of the over twelve million Africans forced into the trans-Atlantic slave trade from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries, only four percent – roughly 470,000 men, women, and children – were sent to North America" "And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage" I'm not saying it was right what was done to them. But I had nothing to do with it and neither did any of my ancestors that came over in the early 1700's. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to solve the issues of the past. Legislation has been changed to prevent it from happening again. https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassageslowcountryadapt/sectionii_introduction/north_american_context#:~:text=Though only around 470%2C000 enslaved,bondage in the United States. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/ Edited October 31 by Kevin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 31 Giving up money to do the research and make things right should be in everyone best instrest don't you think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted October 31 18 hours ago, Adam said: cannot find one good reason to support the idea, let alone dropping 50K on a "study" when members already see it as a foregone conclusion; id be curious as to who they have in mind to get THAT particular payout. as soon as you can point to any enslaved people after 1863( Emancipation), or ill even go so far as to say late 1865. short of that, anyone who MIGHT be entitled to reparations would be those born during Jim Crow Era, so at the outside no one born AFTER 1960-62. Yall want to go after private companies/institutions that you can prove benefited from history of slavery, have at it, but to expect taxpayers to foot the bill when majority have ZERO culpability is just plain crazy and besides: at what point, or perhaps more honestly price, do you feel its appropriate to stop blaming tragedy from 150 years ago for current issues in your community? The last slave died in the 1970s most of us can trace back as far as plantations etc so the descendants are very much so ENTITLED to that money since they can't give it to our dead ancestors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,135 Posted October 31 11 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: Giving up money to do the research and make things right should be in everyone best instrest don't you think? No. Especially when “making a things right” is so undefined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites