Chris 3,211 Posted June 20 Just now, Pvt Snowball said: No your not being fussy as an American if have a right to vent your frustration with your government but solutions need to had. I was being sarcastic of course. You implied that all the Libertarian party does is talk a big game. But the truth is, that's all they're allowed to do by the system that's been bastardized by the Democrats and Republicans in order to hold on to their power and jobs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, Chris said: Get serious. I thought that tickle your fancy but on all seriousness we have to have a common goal and it should peace and stability to The Republic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, Chris said: I was being sarcastic of course. You implied that all the Libertarian party does is talk a big game. But the truth is, that's all they're allowed to do by the system that's been bastardized by the Democrats and Republicans in order to hold on to their power and jobs. Does that sorta of method remind you of something! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
command_prompt 298 Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: Does that sorta of method remind you of something! Many things; what exactly did you think of in particular? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,211 Posted June 20 Fact of the matter is, it's a sad state of affairs when the absolute best out of 300+ million people are a 78 and 81 year old men, both of whom are of questionable mental and physical health. It's complete BS that there's only two choices. There should be a minimum of three, at least, allowed in any debate and to be on the ballot. Or as @Lawana Morse said, This "voting for the lesser of two evils" has gotten us to the place we're at because both are equally bad, election cycle after election cycle. Republicans and Democrats alike have been pandering to the extremes of their parties which has gotten us to where we're at now. Meanwhile, the majority of Americans I think skew more toward an independent middle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
command_prompt 298 Posted June 20 25 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: Their no strong leadership there they talk a big game but nothing ever becomes of anything In general, Libertarians - unlike their D/R counterparts - are not authoritarians. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, command_prompt said: In general, Libertarians - unlike their D/R counterparts - are not authoritarians. But what do they stand for? What are their platforms ? These are things we need to ask any candidate? There always going to be a good or bad white or black but a least pick a side . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 527 Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: we have to have a common goal and it should peace and stability to The Republic Imagine that very attitude in the 1850-1860's.... it should be absolutely repugnant to anyone genuinely concerned with the state of our Nation, what we see in how our "leaders" are chosen. From the tens of millions it costs to run on the National level, to the impossible hurdles non-career candidates face to get on the stage shows the deck is stacked. add in the unfortunate patterns of voters sticking to the team mentality/ lesser of two-evils when voting, further makes getting honest and genuine community minded candidates into office. Status-quo is certainly not good for ANY Republic 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted June 20 11 minutes ago, Chris said: Fact of the matter is, it's a sad state of affairs when the absolute best out of 300+ million people are a 78 and 81 year old men, both of whom are of questionable mental and physical health. It's complete BS that there's only two choices. There should be a minimum of three, at least, allowed in any debate and to be on the ballot. Or as @Lawana Morse said, This "voting for the lesser of two evils" has gotten us to the place we're at because both are equally bad, election cycle after election cycle. Republicans and Democrats alike have been pandering to the extremes of their parties which has gotten us to where we're at now. Meanwhile, the majority of Americans I think skew more toward an independent middle. I agree with @Lawana Morse as far as we gotta stop voting for the lesser of the two but look what our choices are do you know how democracy dies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
command_prompt 298 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Pvt Snowball said: But what do they stand for? What are their platforms ? These are things we need to ask any candidate? There always going to be a good or bad white or black but a least pick a side . Larry Sharpe was a frequent visitor to our area during his presidential and gubernatorial campaigns. Have you ever attended any of his talks/meetings? He's a very approachable guy, happy to answer any questions you might have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 527 Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Pvt Snowball said: but a least pick a side . ive heard this argument before and have been accused of very same thing when recognizing validity of differing viewpoints in discussions....and it is the attitude that has lead to our current state of governance rarely is any argument black and white, the ability to recognize and account for nuance in governing is critical, there is always going to be folks that will never be happy. the key is to do what is right for the community as a whole; pleasing individuals or specific groups is how lobbyists and corruption gain a foothold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,570 Posted June 20 By definition, “picking a side” means the other side is an adversary. That seems completely contradictory to the idea of “peace and stability”. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,570 Posted June 20 22 minutes ago, command_prompt said: Larry Sharpe was a frequent visitor to our area during his presidential and gubernatorial campaigns. Have you ever attended any of his talks/meetings? He's a very approachable guy, happy to answer any questions you might have. Exactly....and if not prevented by the D/R authoritarians, he could have participated in debates and reached more people with his message, instead of many being unaware of The Libertarian Party Platform 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,211 Posted June 20 29 minutes ago, MsKreed said: By definition, “picking a side” means the other side is an adversary. That seems completely contradictory to the idea of “peace and stability”. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pvt Snowball 44 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, MsKreed said: By definition, “picking a side” means the other side is an adversary. That seems completely contradictory to the idea of “peace and stability”. The entire nation was built off on contradictory. Lies death thief murder ,but in this time and moment we have the ability to make change for the good of everyone.tearing down a system and replacing it with a better system that works universal is the goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussNelson 30 Posted June 20 2 hours ago, Pvt Snowball said: I agree with @Lawana Morse as far as we gotta stop voting for the lesser of the two but look what our choices are do you know how democracy dies? Vote for RFKJr, then. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussNelson 30 Posted June 20 On 6/19/2024 at 12:11 AM, Pvt Snowball said: Who a better candidate because the president actually has no power they sign bills and kiss babies they don't make laws or policys etc but wouldn't you rather vote for a party who doesn't want to destroy the Republic of this great nation? The Democrats want to prevent the Republicans from destroying our democracy, and they're going to prevent you from voting for the Republican by any means necessary, even by throwing the Republican candidate in jail on Trumped-up charges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,211 Posted June 21 And if the Republican Party really wanted to win they would cast Trump aside and find a candidate who is younger, sane, and less polarizing. But alas, they’ve hitched their wagon to the MAGA ideology in order to appeal to the far right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twin Tiers Living 489 Posted June 21 Quote COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has failed to qualify for next week’s debate in Atlanta, according to host network CNN, falling shy of benchmarks both for state ballot qualification and necessary polling. The missed markers mean that the June 27 showdown will be solely between Democratic President Joe Biden and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump. That denies Kennedy a singular opportunity to stand alongside the leading candidates in an attempt to lend legitimacy to his longshot bid and convince potential supporters that he has a shot at winning. In a statement Thursday, Kennedy called his exclusion from the debate “undemocratic, un-American, and cowardly.” Both the Biden and Trump campaigns fear that Kennedy could play spoiler in what’s anticipated to be a close general election. Read more here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twin Tiers Living 489 Posted June 21 Quote HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filed paperwork Thursday to get on the ballot for the November election in swing-state Pennsylvania, the state's election office said. Kennedy's filing comes six weeks before the Aug. 1 deadline, after which the paperwork can be challenged in court. The campaigns of both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump fear that Kennedy could play a spoiler role in what’s anticipated to be a close election, especially in Pennsylvania, the nation's fifth-most populous state. To qualify for the ballot in Pennsylvania, Kennedy must file 5,000 signatures of registered voters. With its 19 electoral votes, Pennsylvania is a top-tier prize that has swung between the parties in the last two presidential elections. Both were closely contested: In 2016, Trump won Pennsylvania by 44,000 votes over Democrat Hillary Clinton, and four years later Biden beat Trump by 81,000 votes. Libertarian Jo Jorgensen was on the ballot in 2020 and collected just over 79,000 votes, while three minor-party candidates on the ballot in 2016 — the Libertarian Party's Gary Johnson, the Green Party's Jill Stein and the Constitution Party's Darrell Castle — and got nearly 190,000 votes combined. Read the rest here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 3,211 Posted June 21 Regarding the debate: Quote According to the criteria set out by CNN... ... tells you everything you need to know. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ann 439 Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Chris said: Regarding the debate: ... tells you everything you need to know. Still not sure I want to watch this so called debate. I don’t agree with muting candidates and I don’t agree that Trump is still under a gag order despite the NY trial being over which usually ends any gag orders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsKreed 1,570 Posted June 21 3 hours ago, TTL News said: The campaigns of both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump fear that Kennedy could play a spoiler role in what’s anticipated to be a close election, especially in Pennsylvania, the nation's fifth-most populous state. Which means that both "major" parties will use the full force of the billions of dollars (that they've amassed over the last several decades) hiring hundreds (if not thousands) of aides to challenge each and every signature that RFK has collected. An example of how the D/R duopoly suppresses actual democracy from being carried out. 3 hours ago, TTL News said: To qualify for the ballot in Pennsylvania, Kennedy must file 5,000 signatures of registered voters. Yet in New York state ) now requires 130,000 signatures (that's 26 times as many signatures to just be allowed on the ballot for about twice the population). How does that kind of suppression not simply reek of "threat to democracy "? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twin Tiers Living 489 Posted June 24 Quote CNN — After months lampooning President Joe Biden as a cognitively impaired “brain-dead zombie” who can’t finish a sentence or navigate off a stage, former President Donald Trump and his campaign are changing their tune days ahead of the critical debate of the election. The commander in chief has suddenly morphed into a “worthy debater,” someone of considerable ability and a veteran political performer who is not to be underestimated, according to Trump and his lieutenants. Source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 527 Posted June 26 On 6/24/2024 at 2:30 PM, Twin Tiers Living said: Source managing expectations....they expect a fool give them one until its too late Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
