Term Limits Discussion Back in County Legislature

[Chris 1,539]

And I'm sorry, but the arguments against term limits, including Brennan's assertion  ( that there's nothing stopping someone from running for another political position ) were weak. 

Sweet asks what's to stop someone from getting petitions signed and running for a third term anyway? Well, same thing that keeps the president from doing so. The law that you're debating!

[MsKreed 885]

I liked that Saglibene pointed out that these resolutions will be presented to the "pesky voters" (that Smith said should be allowed to decide).

[MsKreed 885]

40 minutes ago, Rod said:

has he ever taken a public stand on anything 

Now that you mention it - not since joining the Legislature.

I never paid attention to his stances as a City Council member....but he's quietly said almost nothing except "yea" or "nay" in any committee or Legislative meeting so far. 

As a whole, other than Morse and Saglibene, most of the new legislators have been pretty quiet.

[Chris 1,539]

So, @MsKreed what happens from here? Does it go to referendum in November or does the Legislature have to vote on something else before it gets to that? I've completely forgotten. 

[MsKreed 885]

1 hour ago, Chris said:

So, @MsKreed what happens from here? Does it go to referendum in November or does the Legislature have to vote on something else before it gets to that? I've completely forgotten. 

The way Maggs has explained the "permissive Referendum" process, now that they have passed, Moss has to sign them before they officially pass. If he vetoes, they'd need 2/3 to override. 

Either a petition submitted with sufficient (~3000) signatures within 45 days or a legislative vote within 30 days, will move it to a referendum for November. Otherwise, both will automatically take effect (without a referendum) in 45 days from when they are either signed by the Exec or a veto override.  

 

 

So, the way I understand it....... as of "right now", here are the possible outcomes (for both Exec and Legislative Term Limits separately):

1)      Moss signs it and Legislature votes within 30 days for a referendum: voters decide in November to pass or reject Term Limits. (this is the most expected outcome)

2)      Moss signs it and Legislature does not pass a vote within 30 days for a referendum.

          a.  Public petition within the next 15 days: voters decide in November to pass or reject Term Limits.

          b.  No petition: Charter is amended to have Term Limits without referendum (45 days after Moss signs)

3)      Moss vetoes, Legislature overrides with 2/3 majority

          a.  Legislature then votes within 30 days for a referendum: voters decide in November to pass or reject Term Limits.

          b. Public petition within the next 15 days: voters decide in November to pass or reject Term Limits.

          c. No petition: Charter is amended to have Term Limits without referendum (45 days after override)

4) Moss vetoes, Legislature does not override with 2/3 majority: The resolution dies no Term limits (or referendum) at this time.

 

That last one is the only way it doesn't get at least a public vote.....Hopefully Moss will uphold his stance and sign this, as a 2/3 override could possibly fail if the five "nays" put enough pressure on any one of the "yeas" to change their position (or for some unforeseen reason have someone absent for an override vote).  

Edited May 10 by MsKreed

[MsKreed 885]

It seems a little odd that Moss has been silent on this.

It was one of his platform planks in 2018, and the general impression from Burin during the meetings was that he was still on board (I believe the committee was reaching out directly to Moss to at least get his approval of the guidelines concerning the Exec's term limits). 

Admittedly, I have not kept track of how quickly he's typically signed any other legislation.....but seemed like he vetoed the Redistricting within a week f the Legislature passing it last year (requiring an override from the Legislature). 

 

 

 

[Elmira Telegram 243]

Chemung County Executive Chris Moss will be signing both Local Laws No. 3 and No. 4:

Quote

Please be advised, Chemung County Executive, Chris Moss will be signing Local Law No. 3 of the year 2023 (Term Limits for County Executive); and Local Law No. 4 of the year 2023 (Term Limits for County Legislators) on Monday, May 22nd at 11:30 AM in the 2nd floor conference room of the John Hazlett Building.

 

[MsKreed 885]